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http://www.facebook.com/n/?VineandFigTree%2Fposts%2F266231376741880&mid=4e49f2bG2f787189G99c6b63G3a&bcode=IiWYmZtE&n_m=facebook%40kevincraig.us| http://churchvstate.blogspot.com/2009/04/christian-nation-or-not-what-would-john.html History matters said I think you are right about a fundamental misunderstanding re Jefferson's Danbury Baptist letter and the religion clauses. |
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| But, a misunderstanding on the other side drives me; I think David Barton and company are pushing a myth that distorts the record just as badly. But they weren't the first to do this. The Holy Trinity case doing the same thing. Sometimes the Supreme Court gets it badly wrong! In 1892 they gave us Holy Trinity. In 1947 (I believe) they gave us Everson. | Just saying the Supreme Court was wrong is not proof. It's not even an argument. It's just blind opinion. WHY was the Court wrong? The Court cited dozens of constitutions and organic charters.
For an ARGUMENT that Everson was wrong, read Rehnquist's dissenting opinion in Jaffree. |
| The proposed Great Seal is good evidence. What you quoted is all Barton will tell us about. He won't THEN tell us how there were pagan proposals as well. Jefferson proposed the Anglo-Saxon Hengist and Horsa. John Adams proposed Hercules. | The Founders were well-read. Yes, they read non-Christian authors as well as the Bible. |
| http://www.greatseal.com/committees/firstcomm/ | Your own link shows that Franklin's proposal for the seal was Bible-based, as was Jefferson's on one side, and the other side was not "pagan," but simply "British."
Today's secularists assert that the government cannot "endorse" Christianity, but clearly the Founders did, even if they also used Hercules as a symbol of strength. This proves that the modern myth of "separation of church and state" is a myth. |
| It was Judeo-Christian mixed with pagan Greco-Roman, mixed with Enlightenment and some other ideology as well. | So what? Christians have no problem quoting non-Christian sources. Secularists say that Christian sources cannot be quoted because of the "separation of church and state." But Christian sources were quoted and prominently endorsed. "Separation" is thus a myth. |
| If you look at the architecture from founding era DC what's striking is not all of the biblical stuff, but all of the pagan Greco-Roman stuff. | "Founding era DC" is a myth. When George Washington was inaugurated, the nation's capital was in New York. Read what happened on that day. Washington did not wear a toga and swear to Julius Caesar. |
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| http://churchvstate.blogspot.com/2009/04/christian-nation-or-not-what-would-john.html | |
| First Amendment Religion Clauses: Christian Nation or Not? What Would John Adams Say? | Read what John Adams said, don't just speculate about it. |
| The Founders included the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution partly to protect religious rights. It was intended to keep the Federal government from interfering in religious practices and to keep it from establishing a national religion. Today, the 1st Amendment is turned on its head due to la... |